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So, what happens to our spirit bodies once we die? The Preacher tells us they return to God who gave it:

Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. (Ecclesiastes 12:6-7)

At first glance, verse 7 presents somewhat of a conundrum to the order of heaven. If it is true, then unrighteous spirits will be allowed into heaven. If it is false, then we have a mistranslation or, certainly, a misunderstanding.

However, upon reflection, I noticed that verse 7 doesn’t say “heaven”; it says “God”. But if God doesn’t infer heaven, the place where God is said to dwell, then what does it mean?

We know that when one dies, there is a gulf between the righteous and the unrighteous, which implies there is a judgment at death. We know of this gulf because Jesus mentioned it in the Parable of the Rich Man.

There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
“and he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.” (Luke 16:19-31)

Therefore, when one dies, some sort of judgment is immediately executed and, according to this parable, one is either assigned to “Abraham’s bosom” or some other place called hell. And once assigned to these places of judgment, one cannot pass from one location to the other — in either direction.

I like to call these places of judgment the “world of spirits”, or “spirit world”, for that appears to be the place where spirits go when they die, at least according to these verses. Therefore, I believe, in Ecclesiastes 12:7, the spirits of the deceased are brought into the presence of God where God assigns them to either of these two places.

This does not imply that those spirits are brought into heaven. This can be done right here on earth, for God’s presence is everywhere through the Holy Spirit. We know that his presence is with us even in mortality, whether we feel it or not.

Neither of these two places in the world of spirits is heaven, where God dwells, nor the hell of the final judgment. In other words, these spirits are still removed from the “physical”, if you will, presence of God because there is a gulf affixed between the two places. Therefore, we may say that the separation of the spirit from the body represents a first death, and the removal of the spirit from the “physical” presence of God represents a second death.

Lest you be offended by this, remember that Adam and Eve walked and talked with God in the garden. Genesis 3:8-13 is a good example of this:

And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.
And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

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The Creation of Mankind

Now we shall consider the creation sequence that exists in Genesis chapter 2. It isn’t as extensive as in chapter 1 and only covers the physical creation or formation of the earth’s fauna and flora.

However, before we begin, let us take a closer look at Genesis 1:26-28:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth . . .

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It’s All Wrong

This may come as a shock to you, and perhaps you won’t believe it, but a good deal of what we’ve been taught in Sunday School about the creation of the earth is wrong.

However, before you get your knickers up, to quote an old expression, allow me to explain.

If you read Genesis chapters one and two carefully, you should come across a bit of a conundrum: Why are there two creation accounts instead of just one?

Be honest: Have you ever noticed that before? If you did, what did you think about it? That it’s just repetition?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but haven’t we been taught since we were toddlers, and for thousands of years before that, that Genesis chapter one chronicles the physical creation of the earth and all that dwells on it?

If that’s so, why, then, are there two separate creation accounts, or at least one whole and one partial account? And the second one in reverse order from the first?

What if there were, in fact, two separate creations? What if Genesis chapter one chronicles the spiritual creation of the earth (i.e., earth as a spirit body) and chapter two chronicles the physical creation of the people and things that were to dwell upon the physical earth?

Before you write me off as a certifiable nut job, consider the following.

A Spiritual Creation

Did you know that all those who would ever inhabit the earth—human, plant and animal—were created even before Adam and Eve were placed in the Garden of Eden? It’s true. Of course, you might just say it’s my interpretation and you might even be right. However, we find in Genesis 2:1 the following:

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Does anyone really ever pay much attention to that one little innocuous verse? Think about it. What could this possibly mean?

Just so we’re on the same page, let us look at the possible meaning of the word “host.”

First, we’ll look in Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible. According to the Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary, the word for “host” (#6635) means “a mass of persons (or fig[uratively] things).”

Next, we’ll look in my Webster’s NewWorld Dictionary, Second Concise Edition. There are three different entries for the word “host,” labeled “host1,” “host2,” and “host3.” We’ll be interested in number three, definition two: “a multitude; great number.” It’s the one that comes closest to the context of our subject. You can look up the other meanings if you so desire.

Using these ideas, we might with reverence rephrase Genesis 2:1 as follows: “The heavens and the earth were finished, and all the multitude of peoples and other things that would dwell upon it.”

If you have a better explanation of what this verse means, I’d welcome discussion on the matter. Meanwhile, we’ll continue on in this vein.

I realize this is a new concept and might not be easy to accept. I only ask that you put aside any critical desires until you read all four parts of this series. Thank you.

Let us consider the following points:

  1. Genesis chapter 1 chronicles the spiritual creation of the earth and its host.
  2. Genesis 1:1-10 could also represent the physical creation of the earth, as the order seems a logical one.
  3. Genesis 2:1 states that all that would dwell in the heavens and earth had already been created or formed. By implication, this creation would have to be spiritual. The creation of this great multitude or host could not have been physical, for obvious reasons.
  4. Genesis chapter 2 chronicles the physical creation or formation of life on the earth and in the heavens at the time of Adam and Eve.

Here’s a question to consider: If all the people, animals (fauna) and plant life (flora) were created or formed spiritually, or with spirit bodies, if you will, then where are they?

If Genesis chapter 1 were indeed the spiritual creation of the earth, or even the physical creation of the earth, then I would have to assume that all the host of them were placed on the earth at that time and are yet upon the earth in some kind of higher spiritual plane of existence or dimension that we are physically unaware of. Modern quantum theory certainly allows for a number of other dimensions.

Whether this spirit form of the earth is the same size as the physical form of the earth, I cannot say. However, I would have to think the spiritual earth would be larger to accommodate this great host of human, animal and plant life.

This idea is not a new concept. It has been known for a long time that not only humans, but animals and plant life, have auras surrounding them. This has been seen through the use of Kirlian photography, as well as by people with extra sensitive perception.

These auras actually extend beyond the limits of the physical bodies that contain them. So, it should not be too far a stretch to imagine that the aura, or spirit body of the earth, could extend beyond its physical limitations or boundaries, even as the auras, or spirit bodies of earth’s inhabitants, do.

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The Validity or Invalidity of Tradition

So, was Jesus married or not?

In considering this question, we must remember the answer has absolutely no bearing on our salvation; yet, it is of interest to a great many people.

On the other hand, the great majority of Christianity simply do not want to hear about the subject. For them, it’s an open-and-shut case—Jesus was not married and nothing you can do or say will make any difference to them. And that’s okay; that’s where they’re at.

However, that attitude brings to mind a verse from Proverbs: “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.” (Proverbs 18:13.)
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John 2:1-11

And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

One might ask: “What has this to do with Jesus being married or not being married?”

I would answer: “Perhaps nothing; perhaps everything.”
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This is the last look at the Wiki Answers discussion. After this, things should get a little more . . . well, interesting.

Don’t Make Assumptions

I disagree that if it had happened it would have been recorded. The Bible leaves out some 20 years of his life. Doesn’t the Bible teach he experienced everything that any man alive did? I bet sex and marriage was on that list. He probably got into fights and did a lot of other things we don’t know about.

I would have to agree with most of this statement, taking issue only with the last sentence.
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More from the Wiki Answers discussion.

Don’t Make Assumptions

Just trust what the bible [sic] said and if it is not recorded, then just don’t make your own assumption base [sic] on other facts.

In other words, if the Bible doesn’t say Jesus was married, we can’t assume one way or another that he was or wasn’t married. I would tend to agree with that . . . to a point.

Just because a the Bible doesn’t mention that Ezekiel saw an unidentified flying object doesn’t mean he didn’t see one. Don’t believe me? Check out Ezekiel chapters 1 and 10. Perhaps I’ll give my take on these verses one day.
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